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William Dugdale Correspondence

Henry St George (1625-1715)

Herald, who succeeded Dugdale as Norroy and deputised for him as Garter until the appointment of John Dugdale.

William Dugdale to Henry St George, 23 August [1677]

Concerning the appointment of Sir Henry St George as his deputy for the chapter to elect the Duke of Grafton as a Garter knight.

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William Dugdale, Blyth Hall to Henry St George, Heralds' Office, 20 March 1678

'Sir, yours of the 15th instant I received, whereby I understand that Mr Storey hath had the 14l-17s-06d from you (which he hath likewise intimated to me). I take it for a great favour, that you let me heare from you, sometimes. As for my Lord Freschevills attempt, I never expected other successe in it, than what you tell me. It is an error whereunto many are subject, to be over-weening in their own concerns.

I am sorry to heare that there is not like to be any fayre opportunity this session for that Bill of Registring Descents. Were the gentry as regardful of posterity as they are of what relates to themselves at present they should not be so slack therein as I see they are.

I think you may do very well to confer at leisure with our good frien Mr Hays in reference to the painters who are the vermin which devoure us and thereby diminish the Earle Marshall's honour and authoritie, as also which way those exorbitacies of Sir Edw Byshe may be restrained by some proper power in case that by his priviledges as a member of parliament he annihilate our order for withholding his profits. And likewise to stop him from further abusing the gentry in visiting other counties at the rate he hath done those where he hath already been.

If the Earle Marshall do doubt of the strength of his authoritie, and that it will not be safe for him to do as much as his predecessors in that hoble office have heretofore done in thes cases of honour and armes, considering what objections have been made by the common lawyers thereto, I pray you desire Mr Hays to consult with my Lds Grace whether it may not be proper to have a motion in the Lds House that a bill be brought in to state the power of the Earle Marshall as to those things and prevention of duells.

I hope you have taken care to get some transcripts of the narration of Sir Edw Bish his actings to the end it may be seen that our order for stopping his profits was not without great cause if he complained thereupon. If the House of Commons shall (notwithstanding these wrongs already done to the gentry in most of the counties of his province) let him loose to act on still it will be requisite that we acquit ourselves from being accessorys therein do make certain memorials of it in some of our bookes which may remayne to posteritie as a testimony of our utmost endeavours for rectifying what he hath done amisse and preventinge him to do the like againe.

So with all our hearty respects to yourself and your good Lady, & her sister, I rest.'

College of Arms, former Phillips 13084/15, 565


William Dugdale, Blyth Hall to Henry St George, Heralds' Office, 8 April 1678

'Sir, I thanke you for your paynes and care in attending that Tryall in Westminster in my stede.

I feare you do too long delay the wayting on Sir Thomas Meeres, with the copye of the Order and Narrative, the House being to sitt againe on Thursday next.

Mr Chetwynd (my speciall freind) sets out for London tomorrow. I have sufficiently prepared him in this buisnesse, he being one of the Committee of Priviledges, and will not fayle to be there when it is heard. But I much feare, that there being so many indigent persons who stand upon their priviledges against all their Creditors, that they will much incline to favour honest Sir Edward, though to the apparent injury of all the Gentlemen which he hath thus grossly abused, as the Bookes will shew. Yet Mr Chetwynd thinks otherwise.

Mr Holford shew'd me a transcript of most of those Cheshire descents, which in his last wayting [north] he tooke, to be sent to Sir Thomas Manwaring. If you send to him for them, I am sure he will deliver them to you; which done you will soone, by comparing them with the catalogue of the Benefactors in that county, discerne what is deficient.

I heartily thanke you for your account of my Grandson at Ostend and the case of our Ale. So with all our hearty respects to you & your good Lady with her sister, I rest your most affectionate freind & fellow-servant.'

Postscript: 'I have already done all I can with those persons of the Hosue of Commons with whom I have any acquaintance in reference to the bill for registering certificates. I wish that the rest of our societie would endeavour to promote it by those in whom they have interest. I doubt not but the D of Norff hath much power with many eminent members if he would please to let them know his good inclinations thereto. I see but few in this age that regard any thing of future times being only devoted to the present which makes me not a little feare any fayre sucesses therein.'

College of Arms, former Phillips 13084/15, 563